Two new national polls released overnight show Republicans are risking – in the words of the Wall Street Journal – "isolation from many independent voters" – in the debt ceiling debate that has been roiling Washington for weeks.

The NBC News/WSJ poll finds that on the basic idea that the debt ceiling should be raised in the first place, 38 percent say yes it should, while 31% disagree. That's a huge shift from the same survey taken a month ago, where a majority (39 percent) said it should not be raised, while 28 percent said it should be.

And of those polled over the weekend by the Journal/NBC, 58% support President's Obama approach of a $4 trillion deficit-reduction plan over 10 years.

Of course, as you'll hear any and every D.C. Republican say on cable news, we haven't actually seen the specifics of the President's plan yet.